• Starliner avatar Starliner Posted: 8/10/2013 8:50am PDT

    Those suicide doors are going to be a pain when attempting to enter the rear seat when in a tight slot at the mall parking lot.

    This is due to the inward curvature of the upper part of the doors. If the doors are not fully opened, the pass-thru space for people's heads becomes noticeably diminished, and people are going to have to take extra care not to be clipping their heads on the door edge while trying to slip by.

  • grumpier avatar grumpier Posted: 8/9/2013 8:47pm PDT

    I was surprised to see a rated 184 lbs-ft of torque. That is 99 less than a Volt and the Spark and Tesla are rated at over 400. Seems to me that someone needs to specify an rpm or mph value to normalize measures of performance.

  • olden avatar olden Posted: 8/10/2013 4:56pm PDT

    Yeps. Looking at engine torque might have made sense sometime when most vehicles transmissions had similar gear ratios. It already falls apart when comparing motorcycles, with some sportsbike redlining at 16k RPM.

    With electric motors, it becomes completely irrelevant, as they can spin at dramatically different speeds, be coupled to very varied reduction gears, so their torque can't be used at all to infer what force can be exerted on the pavement.

    Power is a much more useful number to gauge acceleration -- and there, the i3 has plenty.

    Available thrust (in newtons), maximum and/or at certain speeds especially 0 m/s = 0 MPH, would be great to know too, but no manufacturer currently specifies that; ICEs would fare too poorly I guess.

  • fb_100000977837486 avatar Bernard Posted: 8/9/2013 11:58am PDT

    BMW will have a problem on their hands if indeed the i3 has the "go cart" characteristics the I3 that was on offer to the first 500 on lease months ago. If indeed ride is also compromised by the weight distribution of the extended range motor that will be another problem. Of course, there is also the fact that the I3 is two times the cost of a Leaf.

    Ford's all electric Focus had issues but acceleration was smart and fully ahead of the I3.

  • Bret F. avatar Bret F. Posted: 8/9/2013 2:54pm PDT

    "Of course, there is also the fact that the I3 is two times the cost of a Leaf."

    Huh? The i3 Costs $41K, which is very close to what the LEAF cost when it came out. The comparable LEAF SL costs $35K and even the base model LEAF costs $28K. Considering the i3 is made of aluminum and carbon fiber, it's a pretty good value. It will also likely have much better range than the LEAF in Eco Pro+ mode.

    The Ford Focus EV's acceleration from 0-60 is close to 10 seconds, compared to 7 seconds for the i3.

  • fb_599454693 avatar Jan Posted: 8/9/2013 10:10pm PDT

    Hey Bret - You're missing one point though... You get incentives taken off only once for one BMW and twice for the two LEAFs. That's an extra $10K difference in CA and $12.5K in GA, for example. I just thought I'd point that out in this theoretical argument... 1 vs. 2 come pretty close then.

    Of course if you want to compare the current BMW price to that of a LEAF from two years ago then I have no arguments...

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/9/2013 3:49pm PDT

    Not to mention that BMW has REx as an option and the "long trip/weekend" loaner program...

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 8/9/2013 12:28pm PDT

    No that was "golf cart" not "go cart", I've heard "go cart" used as a compliment. And I wouldn't take what any reviewer says seriously I never have, some reviews reflect personal opinions more then anything. A personal test drive is always the best.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/9/2013 11:20am PDT

    Speaking of handling, I am always curious on how the 155 narrow and tall tires do on a windy course. Lower center of gravity and weight both helps...

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 8/9/2013 6:11am PDT

    Sounds like Motor Trend was expecting an M3. The i3 is defenatly in the early EV segment, the only EV that fully represents the electric car of the future is the Tesla Model S. Still the i3 has a few things the Tesla doesn't which are also important to the electric future, light weight carbon construction, Eco friendly materials, and assembly. Personally I'll be using my i3 as my everyday driver and I'm hoping that the i8 comes in at a decent price because I might consider an i8 Spider for my secondary car.

  • fb_599454693 avatar Jan Posted: 8/9/2013 10:05pm PDT

    Why wouldn't you add all black Tesla S for the night on the town and a Tesla Roadster for the quick weekend run into the mountains?

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 8/10/2013 11:24am PDT

    I like the i3 more as an every day car, and the i8 would be my beach cruiser and my night on the town car. I don't have mountains where I live, the terrain is flat which is perfect for EVs and it never snows either.

  • fb_100006040320683 avatar fb_100006040320683 Posted: 8/9/2013 7:11pm PDT

    The i8 isn't even an electric car, it is a plug in hybrid.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/9/2013 11:19am PDT

    I think MT expects a "mini" model S. They were so in love with the Model S and they are trying keep the i3 to the same benchmark especially since it is coming from BMW.

    I think BMW has done well in what the car is "intended" for. It is certainly far more "unique" or "futuristic" than most plugin cars on the market today...

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 8/9/2013 12:21pm PDT

    I agree, if you have expectations based on other BMWs or the Tesla Model S you would see the i3 as a bit poor. But judging it for what it is, it is actually a cool little EV.

  • robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 8/14/2013 8:18am PDT

    Written perfectly, CDspeed. For what it is, it's very cool but the comparisons to the Model S and other ICE BMWs is a stretch right now.