• fb_100001606571856 avatar Nick Posted: 5/24/2012 2:56pm PDT

    One can also argue that Kintner's actions induced drivers to slow down and obey the law (and avoid the speed trap). But, of course, the greedy county or state government wouldn't be able to legitimately collect any $$$ if people slowed down. Now would they? Isn't that what's it's about??

  • fb_1354432416 avatar Chris Posted: 7/27/2012 12:15pm PDT

    "how do you draw a line between the two types of offenders"?

    Easy. Someone flashing his or her headlights forces people to slow down. It doesn't "aid or abet lawbreakers", and in fact accomplishes the exact same behavior modification that the police should be trying to incentivize - slowing down. Showing people with sobriety checkpoints provides an entirely different incentive. It gets people who drink and drive to choose a different route. It doesn't get them to not drive. Completely different issue.

  • marigolds avatar marigolds Posted: 11/19/2012 4:27pm PST

    I am night-blind. I generally avoid driving at night, but if I am, getting brights flashed at me is extremely dangerous.
    Last year, while driving in San Diego, I had an idiot flash his brights at me out of a turn to alert me to the officer ahead. He did this while making a left turn, shining straight into my eyes.
    Well, speeding wasn't a problem, but the officer certainly pulled me over when I drove off the side of the road! After putting me threw a full sobriety check, records check, and search of my car (going off the road is probable cause for drug and alcohol DUI), and having to complete explain my medical background and what happened, the officer let me go.
    And now some idiot purposely flash his brights in my eyes in free speech?!

  • fb_100000114211528 avatar Mary Ann Posted: 11/19/2012 9:03pm PST

    What if you are warning the vehicle to just slow down without knowing that there was a cop hiding for speeders? It is actually better to warn speeding motorists no matter what the reason was. Blinking ones light could save accident that could cost lives. It will be hard to prove to the judge you saw the hiding cop. Chill out!!!!

  • pipi avatar pipi Posted: 11/25/2012 5:14am PST

    what the heck are you driving at night for, if you are night blind? I think you are full of it!

  • BobTrent avatar BobTrent Posted: 1/21/2014 2:35pm PST

    Then you'll be blinded when an oncoming vehicle crests a rise, causing his low beams to point right in your eyes. Perhaps you should not drive at night. If you were completely blind, or had such bad vision that it could not be corrected, would you still insist on driving?
    Just because we have rights does not mean that their exercise cannot be reasonably regulated in the interests of safety. Both the individual and the society at large are possessed of rights, sometimes conflicting. A balance has to be attained.

  • martinincs avatar martinincs Posted: 12/14/2012 8:52pm PST

    Think this business of 'freedom of speech/expression' is getting way out of hand. Florida just passed a law stating you could turn your automobile radio/noise maker way up and nothing could be done about it. It is 'freedom of expression'. What about the poor people who have to listen to all that racket - isn't that an invasion of their privacy to peace and quiet. Not only that but all that noise is a distraction, hard on your hearing, affects the rhythm of the heartbeat. What happened to a littlecourtesy and common sense!!!

  • Adecrown avatar Adecrown Posted: 12/27/2012 7:20am PST

    "invasion of their privacy to peace and quiet" in public.

  • lizsdad avatar lizsdad Posted: 5/24/2012 9:20am PDT

    I was told it was against the the law here to flash your lights at an on coming car that may be blinding you with high beams on. Seems dangerous to be blinded by a forgetful driver. If this is a real law in Arizona, it should be repelled.

  • unplugged avatar unplugged Posted: 3/20/2013 9:28am PDT

    Huh? It's not illegal to drive with your high beams on, but you can't flash your own high beams to alert the other driver. Sounds like an urban legend to me.

  • biochfan avatar biochfan Posted: 5/28/2012 5:56am PDT

    I agree with the judge. Anytime you can help another motorist beat a sitting in wait flatfoot who has set up a speedtrap is a good thing. That is exactly what this driver did and I hope he continues to do so as well as others begin this practice. Anything that we the driving public can do to beat the cops at their money generating speed trap games is fair and legal in my opinion.

  • kramer avatar kramer Posted: 11/20/2012 4:41am PST

    I do it all of the time... f the cops.. wimps...

  • fb_1420467280 avatar Dan Posted: 11/27/2012 11:17am PST

    If the cops were worried about "safety" they should have the patrol car out in plain site. I'm with Kintner on this one.

  • BobTrent avatar BobTrent Posted: 1/21/2014 2:42pm PST

    When the cops can stop and ticket only one out of 10,000 of the speeders, tailgaters, weavers, lane-switchers, etc., whizzing past at 80-100 mph in bumper-to-bumper traffic, what do you think they will emphasize?
    I have heard that some jurisdictions are requiring all traffic cited drivers to appear in court. That will clog the system to the point that traffic law enforcement will be a total farce.
    A public defender advised a cited motorist to opt for a jury trial as it will be months or years before the case comes to trial. Most drivers will not do this as they "just want to get it over with." Go ahead and pay the $200, $400, $1000 fine or whatever, and enjoy the points on your license and the increase in your insurance premium.

  • unplugged avatar unplugged Posted: 3/20/2013 9:27am PDT

    If the guy sat at the corner with a sign that read, "Cop ahead, slow down," there would be no issue. Under our Constitution, we all have the right to freedom of speech. Using your headlights is no different than holding up a sign.

  • fb_508583943 avatar TJ Posted: 1/10/2014 7:47pm PST

    i personally feel that people should obey the law and that they should not be alerted of a cop ahead and if they were speeding should be ticketed. if you obey the law theres nothing to ever worry about! there is no reason ever for speeding, the limits are there for a reason, obey them! if its something life and death put ur hazards on and notify emergency personnel, other than that quit speeding and endangering other ppls lives

  • BobTrent avatar BobTrent Posted: 1/21/2014 2:28pm PST

    In my 4+ decades of driving I have never flashed my headlights to alert anyone to a speed detection. Headlight flashing is for: 1) the oncoming car's headlights are on high beam, or 2) the oncoming car's headlights are off at dusk or darker, or 3) a crash or other hazard is behind me back up the road, or 4) to alert a driver ahead of you that you are overtaking (passing) him.
    Turning the brights on and leaving them on to "punish" a driver whose lights are on bright is foolish. If you can't see due to his blinding bright lights, don't you want him to be able to see you?

  • marcmkkoy avatar marcmkkoy Posted: 2/6/2014 4:03am PST

    The government loves to misapply the law because they believe people are too stupid to look up what it actually says. There was a rash of people getting pulled over in Illinois for under-body neon lights. I did some research and discovered more deceit by the State when they allege many of these charges. Obstructed vision, failure to reduce speed, and traveling too fast for conditions are pretty common fleecing charges, but I thought the neon lights was particularly interesting because it traps a lot of younger people who have been trained to not question authority.


  • fb_12502153 avatar Tae-wook Posted: 2/24/2014 4:21pm PST

    LED headlights are too dazzling.