• fb_1037052384 avatar Lynn Posted: 4/23/2012 8:38pm PDT

    James, buying a LEAF makes financial sense when you consider that over the lifetime of the car, the difference in fuel cost between a Charger and LEAF is well over $15,000. I just received my state and federal $10,000 rebates for buying my Nissan LEAF last year. So you can subtract $25,000 from the sticker price, and start over.

  • fb_749535892 avatar Frank Posted: 5/4/2012 5:22am PDT

    Funny how no one has commented, nor has the author written about, driving dynamics. Aside from the skin deep comparison, the Focus "should" drive LIGHT YEARS better than the Leaf!

    Not only the the Focus appearance look like its gasoline counterpart, reports indicate it drives as good, if not better (due to better weight balance)!

    For people coming from, say, a Prius, which drives about as well as a 1987 Chevy Cavalier, you might not care. But if you actually enjoy driving a car with decent (or better) handling, the Leaf is a non-starter (pun intended).

  • fb_100001095406298 avatar Jargal Posted: 4/25/2012 1:34am PDT

    I do not know English.

  • BFSB avatar BFSB Posted: 2/20/2013 2:18pm PST

    6.6 KwH faster charging is standard on both LEAF SL and SV models for 2013. It is a $1000 option on the base S model only.

  • fb_100001668860106 avatar Mark Posted: 3/8/2013 9:04am PST

    I own a Nissan Leaf and I love it. We live in Leavenworth Kansas and drive back and forth to Kansas City on a regular basis. I pay 6 cents a kwh for electricity and it costs $1.46 to “fill up” my car. There are over 50 charging stations in Kansas City and most are free. I have never paid more than $21 for electricity in a single month. I drive the car about 1200 miles a month. I have never ran out of charge. I pay $178 a month for my lease. I was paying over $300 a month for gas in my Dodge Durango. I will never replace an air filter, oil and filter, muffler, spark plugs, alternator; clutch; fuel filter; fuel injectors and pump; motor mounts; O2 sensors; power steering fluid ; radiator and assorted pipework; serpentine belt, transmission...

  • fb_655806582 avatar Tim Posted: 4/9/2013 2:24pm PDT

    Great point on maintenance! Yet there are some items there you will have to replace at some point. Batteries, cooling fans, computers.. there is a transmission and motor mounts of a different sort. If you have to replace the generator (vs. Alternator) it will be a lot more expensive than a gas vehicle. Yet I believe you are right, overall maintenance has been lower on my hybrid and should be lower still on a full electric.

  • USAFANG67 avatar USAFANG67 Posted: 4/23/2012 12:57pm PDT

    $37,250 for Leaf or $39,995 for an Electric Focus?
    It's a no brainer for me I'll take the mid-point cost and buy a 2013 Ford Mustang GT :-)

  • tompratt avatar tompratt Posted: 4/23/2012 8:56pm PDT

    As you say, the Leaf is "distinctive." Is that your new code word for ugly? Cars can be distictive and good looking at the same time. I don't understand why the Nissan designers made it look like a frog.

  • fb_100002938849365 avatar Albert Posted: 4/24/2012 12:51am PDT

    So you will know it is coming. Electrics are silent.

  • shocker avatar shocker Posted: 4/24/2012 6:15am PDT

    My response to Focus or Leaf is Focus. I like what Ford is doing in the market and if I was buying an electric would choose the Focus and pay the extra for it. It looks better too!

  • chlpatent avatar chlpatent Posted: 4/27/2012 6:48pm PDT

    Some analysis the Leaf op costs same analysis would apply to Focus EV, and btw the Leaf is mighty fast off the line, would beat a musty Mustang anyday!

    Assuming a full-charge range of 100 miles the Leaf costs about $2.60 in electricity (full charge from fully discharged battery in DC metro area 24kwh and about 11 cents per kwh rounded off).

    Nissan Altima with est. 22 mpg city cost about $18.00 for those same 100 miles with $4.00/gallon gas.

    Assume 75 mile/day 2-way commute 365 days/yr and a daily full 24kWh charge = $936.60/yr energy costs for the Leaf, but the Nissan Altima would cost $4,977.27/yr in energy costs (gas) at $4/gallon for same mileage. Consider oil changes, tune ups, emmissions insp., etc. and the Leaf gets even better!

  • chlpatent avatar chlpatent Posted: 4/27/2012 6:54pm PDT

    The cost differential using those numbers is over $4,000 per year. That’s about enough savings to buy another $37,000 Leaf in 10 years, just considering the gasoline costs at $4/gallon

    But for a business person, here’s another idea: lease the Leaf for about $410/month. If you drive those 75 miles per day, for 2250 miles a 30 day month, that’s $79.20 for the Leaf in electricity and $409.09 for the Altima assuming $4/gallon gas and 22 mpg. In other words, you almost pay for the lease with the savings in unneeded gasoline purchases!

    BTW, never having to stop at a BP station: PRICELESS!

    Focus EV, having no Level 3 fast DC charging capability, is limited to a strictly local vehicle it would seem.

  • BFSB avatar BFSB Posted: 2/20/2013 2:19pm PST

    Nissan is seriously invested in electric vehicles. Ford is just playing around with them. Go with the company that is in it for the long haul - Nissan.

  • Jojob avatar Jojob Posted: 4/24/2012 1:01pm PDT

    I agree with tompratt about the ugliness of the Leaf. I don't see any reason to be chained to the looks of gas-powered cars when a car doesn't have an internal combustion engine in it. Stand on a busy street corner and watch the mind-numbing parade of sameness go by. Designing an electric car from scratch was a chance for Nissan to introduce something fresh. They could have gone cute like the Mitsubishi i or done something approaching the sleekness of the Tesla (Elise-based). Instead, they ended up with a sad, awkward design.
    I can't be a cheerleader for the Focus EV, either. No fast DC charging? The speedy level two charging doesn't make up for that. And when I sat in a Focus EV at a car show, I thought the visibility to the rear sucked.

  • chlpatent avatar chlpatent Posted: 4/27/2012 6:59pm PDT

    Can you say "aerodynamics?" That's a lot of what's going on in the Leaf shape/design - reducing drag. Personally, I think it'd be great if it had the body of a Shelby or an XKE, but on the other hand, the Focus EV pictured above is kind of a Prius looking thing, isn't it? Imitation is the highest form of flattery, I suppose...

  • drneutrino avatar drneutrino Posted: 5/1/2012 7:55am PDT

    I would buy another Prius for $31,000 and save the $4000-$8000 for gas. At 40MPG and $4gas, thats about 1000-2000 Gallons or 40,000 to 80,000 miles. Since I drive less than 8000/year I would have to own the electric somewhere between 5 and 10 years just to break even.

  • james myers avatar james myers Posted: 4/23/2012 4:23pm PDT

    This doesn't make any financial sense whatsoever! To spend this much money on an "Ugly" Nissan Leaf or a good looking compact, economy car (Focus)just isn't in the cards. I would rather have a Chrysler 300 Limited for 36K with the V-6 and 8speed automatic transmission or Dodge Charger with the same drivetrain as the 300. The Obama Environmentalist Pigs are still at it.

  • runman9 avatar runman9 Posted: 4/23/2012 8:00pm PDT

    I'll tell you who the real PIGS are, its the filthy oil companies still using tax payer subsidized money to drill for oil and keep fat jerk offs comfortable in 17 mpg suvs and 19 mpg 4 door want to be muscle cars, like the crap driving 300. Stop tax payer cash subsidizing oil, and maybe Barrack will stop fed tax credits on electric vehicles, but this tax credit went into effect during Bush, get the facts straight. Thx EV driver from cali

  • sundog avatar sundog Posted: 4/24/2012 7:41am PDT

    I'm all for stopping many of the federal cash subsidies in the energy sector - but if you do a little research into where all that money goes today.....well be carefull what you wish for.

  • chlpatent avatar chlpatent Posted: 4/27/2012 7:04pm PDT

    Nissan Altima with est. 22 mpg city cost about $18.00 for 100 miles with $4.00/gallon gas.

    For a 75 mile/day 2-way commute 365 days/yr and a daily full 24kWh charge, the Leaf = $936.60/yr energy costs.

    The Nissan Altima would cost $4,977.27/yr in energy costs (gas) at $4/gallon for same mileage. Consider oil changes, tune ups, emmissions insp., etc. and the Leaf gets even better.

    It makes perfect economic sense if you can add, subtract, multiply and divide.

    And not having to line the pockets of BIG OIL is just icing on the cake!

    Lovin' Leaf!

  • fb_1519546048 avatar Jiminy Posted: 9/8/2013 7:43am PDT

    The US imports $1 Billion a day in OIL. Imagine what the USA could do with a $1 Billion a day staying in our country.

    Electric is about $1 vs a gallon of gas at about $3.50 a gal 9-2013). If you charge Off Peak it can be even lower cost. If you have Solar or Wind it's virtually free.

    A pure electric has no transmission, no exhaust pies, muffler catalytic converter etc. no maintenance. REGENERATIVE brakes give almost no brake wear so they last 4 to 10 times longer and make no brake dust (PM10) pollution.

    The batteries in the FORD are liquid cooled and could last 16-20 years! Then have a 2nd life as battery backup for power companies. PG&E in Calif buy them for that purpose.

    Electrics keep getting better, lower cost ,more range .