• Barbara Toncheff Posted: 5/10/2011 5:55pm PDT

    Too bad those in San Franciso feel so compelled to support foreign OWNED auto companies who not only get subsidies and universal health care in their own country, but can come here and be subsidized by the American taxpayers (3.5 BILLION-see my article) AND help bust our labor unions as well!
    Check out the 6/2008 report by the National Labor Comittee on how the workers at the Toyota Prius factory in Japan commit suicide from being overworked and other disgusting labor practices before Americans are so hasty to toss the standard of living that many have died fighting for.
    This article is WHY I have a "buy American Radio Show" because many Americans are oblivious to the profiteers who are on a mission to destroy our middle class.

  • dogpatchsfcc Posted: 5/11/2011 12:44am PDT

    Poster #1, To blame the consumer for not directing their hard earned $ to union businesses explains to some extent why some companies are in decline.
    Some parts in domestic cars are (gasp!) foreign sourced. And foreign companies have invested in factories and skilled jobs in the U.S. It's not black and white.
    A friend landed a product development job at Scion (Toyota). I don't feel sorry for him at all.
    Hope Ford makes it back. They should redeem themselves. The Fusion is a great global car model.
    In the meantime, Tesla should open a showroom in SF. It would be a top sales outlet. This is not about domestic or foreign.

  • Kurt Posted: 5/11/2011 5:11am PDT

    In years past, I'd be the first to argue that most American cars fell short of their Japanese or European rivals. Today, that's not the case and I'd put Ford's quality up against that of any non-luxury manufacturer. Even Chrysler, who built some epically bad cars in years gone by, has really ramped up their quality control. Personally, I hope this is a temporary setback for the U.S. automakers in San Francisco.

  • jgaines56 Posted: 5/11/2011 6:33am PDT

    The domestics' hens have finally come home to roost. For too many decades, they have produced garbage (e.g. Pontiac 6000) with the arrogant notion that Americans would buy anything produced in the USA because it's "patriotic." It's been a long road back, but we have ordered an American brand (Equinox) for the first time in over 20 years. The remaining 3 have a good chance to redeem themselves; hope they can make good.

  • fb_1192331452 avatar Daniel Posted: 5/11/2011 9:03am PDT

    Maybe this will make American car manufacturers wise up & accept the fact that Makes like Honda & Toyota got where they are today by building vehicles that you can count on to start every morning & not be in the shop every week!!!!

  • fb_1224815454 avatar Jim Posted: 5/11/2011 10:12am PDT

    This is not a good thing. The new domestics are damn good in many cases and some from Ford in particular, exceed the imports in quality and efficiency.

  • bailout Posted: 5/11/2011 10:31am PDT

    How ironic that San Francisco's citizens would have heartily supported the Detroit bailout, yet don't really want to buy its products.

  • larry300 avatar larry300 Posted: 5/11/2011 10:39am PDT

    Unfortunately some "american" car manufacturers are in truth no more domestic than say toyota or nissan. Check out an article by CD about the real numbers behind North American manufacturing.

  • Michael Posted: 5/11/2011 11:15am PDT

    San Franciscans were depicted in South Park as a bunch of self indulgent morons who sniff their own farts.
    It's the truth.
    Those people think they're experts about everything, yet the facts reveal their true ignorance. They think domestics are junk -- when Ford's quality is better than anybody else's in the business -- including those of the Hondas and Toyotas they buy. They'll buy a Prius because it's supposed to be green -- when its carbon footprint is actually bigger than most subcompacts because of all the fossil fuels used to produce its batteries, etc. They buy BMWs because they're "sporty," yet don't know how to drive a stick, think motorsports are the devil and drive under the speed limit in the fast lane.
    Blat. Sniff.

  • Arelem Posted: 5/11/2011 11:30am PDT

    Too many posters are trying to blame this on quality, or efficiency, but I see something else. SF has a reputation for pursuing the terminally trendy, the "what's in" or "what's cool" and American cars aren't seen like that. American cars are just as reliable as the imports, just as efficient and just as stylish, but the fact that they carry a blue oval or gold bow tie makes them automatically gauche' in the eye of a San Franciscan.

  • jk Posted: 5/11/2011 1:12pm PDT

    This is silly. Automobile dealerships of all stripes, foreign and domestic, are closing in S.F. because there are better and higher uses for land here. Just as residents of Manhattan go to Queens or Jersey to buy a car, we San Franciscans have no problem driving 10 or 15 minutes to the auto-dealership rich suburbs of Colma or South San Francisco to buy a car. San Francisco is home to fine domestic brands like Dolby, Adobe, Twitter, Salesforce, Zynga, Wells Fargo, Gap, Levi's, Bechtel, Charles Schwab. Other companies are not based in the city but have a major presence here like Bayer, Pfizer, AOL, Microsoft, and Cisco. So let us buy our cars elsewhere and let us use our real estate for office buildings and housing and parks and retail.

  • Mark Posted: 5/11/2011 5:43pm PDT

    I think it's about time Americans stopped buying Japanese and European cars like Lemmigs going over a cliff - because they somehow think this makes them look a)More successful b) More trendy c) More discriminating d) All of the above. All that you are doing is transferring your wealth into the buckets of other countries - Wake up America or you'll become a country of Ghost towns.

  • Michael Posted: 5/12/2011 9:40am PDT

    @jk: There's a reason why Chevron, AAA and scores of other companies have moved their headquarters out of San Francisco -- so your argument that the City's real estate is too valuable for retail car dealerships is wrong. By the way, Adobe's headquarters are in San Jose.

  • james Posted: 5/15/2011 4:49am PDT

    Fine domestic "brands" such as Zynga? You do realize that Zynga is 100% owned by the russian mafia, right?

  • anonymous Posted: 5/16/2011 7:32am PDT

    I find it telling that the "buy American" crowd mostly argues that new American cars are now *just as good* as foreign cars. They implicitly acknowledge what everybody knows: American car manufacturers had been putting out relatively crappy cars for the past 20-30 years. Also, I don't see anybody arguing that American cars are now BETTER than foreign ones--possibly because nobody would take them seriously. The fact is that, in business, if you want to cure a bad reputation, you have to put out a product better, faster, and cheaper than the other guy. 1-2 years of good product (if that's truly the case) does not instantly compensate for 20 years of failure. The big 3 should cut salaries and make a car which you would be a fool not to buy.

  • William J Toensing Posted: 5/17/2011 3:36am PDT

    In 2001 I bought a new Ford Focus 5 speed ZX3. It has 142,000 miles & has been the most trouble free car I have ever owned & I am 78 years old.I bought it because of its low price ($11,643 including CA sales tax & license) & because it was designed in Germany & handles like a good European car, not because it was an American make. With $5 a gallon fuel expected in the near future, fuel economy will be my highest priority in any new car I might buy. My biggest complaint with my Focus is its POOR fuel economy! The European diesel Focus gets 50 MPG & the European diesel Fiesta gets 60 MPG! If I ever buy a new car it will probably be a Prius or VW TDI. However, if Ford would offer a diesel Focus or Fiesta I would prefer it to a VW.

  • Kurt Posted: 5/17/2011 4:39am PDT

    William, there are many reasons why manufacturers are hesitant to offer diesels in the US, but one of the biggest is the difference in emission standards between the US and the EU. Today, the US has the strictest emission standards for diesel passenger cars in the world. Many cars built for the EU wouldn't meet the US standard, and it's not cost effective to certify a diesel engine for a market as small as the US. That will change as the EU implements the Euro 6 standard in 2014, which parallels the current US standard.

  • Frank Posted: 5/18/2011 4:58pm PDT

    American automotive manufacturers clearly are smart enough to not keep anything of value in San Francisco. When the San Andreas fault line ruptures, Dodge, Chevy and Ford return with Ram, f-350 and Silverado crew cabs full of Americans eager to sweep up the scrap Nissans, and hopefully to cart out the remains of Lady Gaga and Arnold.

  • fb_636430164 avatar Tyrone Posted: 2/10/2014 8:04am PST

    GM,FORD! Most of there parts are foreign .Chrysler is now A European Co,
    The Ho..of the Automobile Industry, they have been screwed by, Mitsubishi, Mercedez,and now Fiat...