• fb_100003991298397 avatar Jeff Posted: 8/13/2013 10:56am PDT

    The Volt MSRP is misleading, given the lower sticker price on the 2014 model (which are currently available) and the rebate on the 2013's to compete with that

  • MrEnergyCzar avatar MrEnergyCzar Posted: 12/5/2012 6:17pm PST

    Plug-ins will dominate the next few years.... range too low...


  • Keith Ruddell avatar Keith Ruddell Posted: 12/19/2012 9:09am PST

    Anthony, Small mistake on the Mitsubishi 'i'. The motor is 49 kW or 66 hp, not 66 kW.

  • JPnSD avatar JPnSD Posted: 8/13/2013 12:05pm PDT

    The $5,000 cut for the 2014 Volt will lower the price to $34,995, including delivery fees but before federal tax credits.


  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/13/2013 6:05pm PDT


    As of today 8-13-13, Ford has lowered its 2014 FFE price by $4k and GM has lowered $5k on the 2014 Volt, shouldn't we include those updates in the "latest update" on this excellent article?

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 8/14/2013 3:10am PDT

    Thanks Xiaolong - must have missed those. Will update it ASAP :)

  • fb_599454693 avatar Jan Posted: 8/14/2013 7:48am PDT

    Antony - Aside from Canada, we cannot buy the 2013 Mitsubishi here yet - it hasn't even been announced (and probably won't be.)

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/14/2013 12:09pm PDT

    I believe Mitsubishi skipped 2013 model year for the "i".

  • MrEnergyCzar avatar MrEnergyCzar Posted: 8/14/2013 8:55pm PDT

    My Volt allows me to drive 90% of the time in EV mode, 240 mpg the first 25,000 miles so far.... 40 EV mile range is enough for most people...


  • fb_100000531163043 avatar fb_100000531163043 Posted: 1/23/2013 8:46pm PST

    The Nissan Leaf Is One Of The First Electric Cars But To Me It Is Not Cute.
    Electric Cars 2013

  • fb_100003357801281 avatar DrBob Posted: 8/13/2013 2:10pm PDT

    Weekly, I drive to and from my business. My Toyota was costing me about $200 per round trip. Since the delivery of my Tesla S, the fuel cost driving each way is less than the cost of a gallon of gasoline. The Tesla will pay for itself in less than 2 years on fuel cost savings alone.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/13/2013 6:11pm PDT

    $200 per round trip? @$4/gallon, that is 50 gallons of gas. Assuming 20mpg, that is 1,000 miles per trip. Assuming 50 mpg, that is 2,500 miles per trip.

    Even at 2,000 miles round trip, 1,000 mile per trip, your 85KWh Tesla would need at least 300KWh (3.33miles/KWh). Even at $0.05 per KWh (half the rate of electricity cost in CA baseline), that is $15 about 3.5 gallon of gasoline cost. Even if you only paid the first 85KWh for each trip, that is a cost of $0.05 per KWh x 85KWh = $4.25 which is still more than a cost of a gallon of gas.

    So, either you are getting a lot of "free charges" or the math is off somewhere...

  • fb_100000069547338 avatar Mark Posted: 8/13/2013 11:05pm PDT

    That depends on where you live...in CA premium gas is more than $4.25/gal.

    And it's possible, probably even likely that they are using the Tesla Supercharger, for part of that charging, which is free.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 8/14/2013 12:12pm PDT

    "That depends on where you live...in CA premium gas is more than $4.25/gal."

    Depending on where and when in CA. That above $4 premium doesn't always happen in CA. If you get gas in Costco, then it will be much cheaper..

    Still, the math is off a bit with $4.40 math. That is just 10% difference.

  • gmo kills avatar gmo kills Posted: 8/14/2013 7:31am PDT

    u missin reno zoe the chipest and cutest from the bunch

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 8/15/2013 2:22am PDT

    And also not available in the United States ;)

  • usbseawolf2000 avatar usbseawolf2000 Posted: 12/4/2012 7:03pm PST

    PiP is the only plugin that does not sacrifice gas mileage, passenger or cargo space.

    Using the gained EV miles for my frequent short trips are sweetest because gas engine warmups are MPG killer.

    So far, most of my trips are on EV. However, most of my miles are on HV. 258 wh/mile (with charging loss) on electricity and 54 MPG on gas.

    Loving this plugin that is efficient with both fuels.

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 12/5/2012 10:46am PST

    Dennis, That is excellent. 3.875 miles/KWH which is quite good (though I wonder if it sips a little gas now and then during those trips).

    Despite its limitations, I still like the Plug-in Prius because I find the Prius to be a very practical car and, as you say, the PiP is rather uncompromised.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 12/5/2012 11:58am PST

    In my opinion, losing even 1 star in safety and even worse performance than the regular Prius is NOT acceptable or rather "LARGE Compromise".

    I don't compromise safety.

  • usbseawolf2000 avatar usbseawolf2000 Posted: 12/5/2012 3:16pm PST

    EV power is surprising strong. I have driven up a six floors parking garage up a spiral climb. Just needed about 20kW. PiP battery can sustain 41kW before ICE kicked in. Very practical for around town neighborhood driving and highway speed below 62mph as well.

    ICE came on for heat one time during what would have been all EV drive. 0.02 gallons used before ICE shutdown when coolant reached 130 deg F. That's 1/3 cup of gas.

    Loving how little gas it sips.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 12/5/2012 4:54pm PST

    "I have driven up a six floors parking garage up a spiral climb"

    ahahahaahaha. "speed" king of parking garage speed of 15mph? hahaah

    how typical of a Prius owner using a parking garage to judge power.

    I rest my case on PIP performance.

  • usbseawolf2000 avatar usbseawolf2000 Posted: 12/5/2012 9:06pm PST

    Just sharing my experience how practical it is living with PiP in the city.

    Loving the efficiency this practical midsize is capable of.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 12/6/2012 11:10am PST

    So, when it is freezing outside in NYC and you got 10 miles to go and need to crank up the heat, does your PIP turn on the engine to produce heat? It does, doesn't it?

    So, in cold weather that require heat, your PIP basically have a BIG FAT 0 miles of electric only miles.

    It will turn off the engine eventually and use battery to power the car when the engine is warmed up but it can't make the entire short trip with heat blasting without engine on.

    That is where Volt or C-Max Energi will work. Both will lose significant ranges due to heat (at 100% efficiency), but they will function in EV mode in those short city conditions (which are still WAY more efficient than gas mode of any cars).

  • evilattorney avatar evilattorney Posted: 8/13/2013 3:34pm PDT

    If most of your trips are in all electric mode, you must have an extremely short commute (less than 6 miles?!). After a little more than 2 years, I'm up to about 24k EV miles (26k total) on my Volt. Driving every day in a PiP, it would take about 11 years to get to that point. It's clear that the PiP makes a huge EV-mile compromise compared with any of the other plugin options on the market.

  • fb_1134791105 avatar Mittar Posted: 12/4/2012 1:53pm PST

    Who the F decided that 80 miles was sufficient for these things? I love EVs, but that's just a non starter for any one car household.

  • fb_100003874383730 avatar Matt Posted: 12/4/2012 8:52pm PST

    Statistics and averages is what decided that 80 miles is sufficient for 90% of all driving in the US: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm
    Average is 37 miles per day, well within the range of any EV sold today.
    Going further? Use the West Coast Electric Highway fast chargers to travel I5, US2, US101 and I-90 if your in Oregon or Washington State. Otherwise use that $4000 a year savings on fuel and rent a brand new car for that 10% or less of driving that exceeds 100 miles in a day.

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 12/5/2012 5:20am PST

    I would say it is economics and weight that decided this. Batteries are expensive and heavy. Car manufacturers put in the smallest battery they felt they could and still make a car that would sell.

  • olden avatar olden Posted: 1/4/2013 2:33pm PST

    100% agreed with Matt.
    Assuming that one is ok with the idea (for example) of a 15 to 30 minutes break on the occasional 150 mile trip, in exchange for that lifetime 80%+ rebate on fuel and all the other benefits of BEVs, fast charging is a VERY effective and affordable way to double or triple the range when needed.

    Personally I think that fast-charging capability is extremely valuable; I would not consider an EV without it. Too bad so far only Tesla (proprietary), Nissan (CHAdeMO) and Mitsubishi (CHAdeMO) offer this.

  • JPnSD avatar JPnSD Posted: 8/13/2013 11:04am PDT

    Ever heard of a Plug-in Hybrid?

  • fb_100000069547338 avatar Mark Posted: 8/13/2013 10:05pm PDT

    I really wish Green Car Reports would learn to differentiate/categorize cars properly. Just because a car has an electric motor in it does not mean it is an electric car. A "Plug-In" or PEV list is what you have here, as some of these are all-electric BEVs Battery Electric Vehicles, some are PHEVs Plug-in Hybrid gas/Electric Vehicles, and yes, all are PEVs Plug-in-Electric Vehicles, as they all include electric motors with batteries that can be charged by plugging them in, but, I'm not too fond of that name, as it lumps them all together, tends to make things more confusing.

    This list seems to be generally in order of MSRP? But, why?


  • fb_100000069547338 avatar Mark Posted: 8/13/2013 10:21pm PDT

    all-electrics (BEVs):

    2013 Smart FourTwo ED (Electric Drive)
    2013 Chevy Spark EV
    2013 Nissan Leaf
    2013 Mitsubishi i
    2013 Fiat 500e
    2013 Ford Focus EV
    2013 Honda Fit EV
    2013 Toyota Rav4 EV (though it is based on the 2012 version, it is a 2013 model year vehicle)
    2013 Tesla Model S

    PHEVs (Plug-in Hybrid gas/Electric Vehicles)

    2013 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid
    2013 Ford C-MAX Energi
    2014 Ford Fusion Energi
    2013 Chevy Volt
    2014 Honda Accord Plug-in Hybrid

    The BMW i3 comes to US in 2014. The Scion iQ EV is not for sale, but being offered only as a car-share vehicle, I think only in CA, in low quantities.

    The Volt is a PHEV...while it has an electric drivetrain, still a hybrid with a 1.4 liter 4 cylinder gas combustion engine.

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 8/14/2013 3:12am PDT

    In the third paragraph, Mark:

    "We've gathered together each plug-in car on sale today in one place."

    While the title says "electric cars", anyone who actually reads the article itself is made more than aware that we're covering all the plug-in vehicles.

    As for "in order of MSRP, why?" - why not? The article deals, first and foremost, with price. MSRP is therefore an entirely sensible way of listing the vehicles.

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 12/4/2012 2:10pm PST

    Great to have this summary of plug-ins. I am always surprised there isn't a tabular form used GCR in this kind of article.

    But how the heck did you manage to keep quiet about the ugliness of the Smart, the i, and the LEAF, and yet find time to call the Prius ugly.

    One nit pick,
    "All MPGe figures below refer solely to the cars' electric efficiency."
    I suspect that excludes the Plug-in-Prius.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 12/4/2012 3:42pm PST

    Another "misleading" point about the EPA's MPGe is the fact that all NON-BEV mpge will drop significantly as the "range" of the test increases...

    EPA test is a combination of various test cycle up to 11 miles each and the average or combination of them are used to generate the MPGe figure. So, for "plugins" that designed to "scam" the MPGe rating, you would want to have a "blend" system that will ONLY use EV in "mild" load and kick engines in at "heavy load" so your total MPGe inside those 11 miles will be maximized. Examples are Prius Plugin and Honda Accord Plugin.

    If the EPA test is 20 miles, then both the Pip and Accord Plugin MPGe will plung. But C-Max Energi and Volt will stay the same.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 12/4/2012 3:45pm PST

    if the EPA test extends to 30 miles, tehn PIP and Accord Plugin MPGe will drop even farther and Ford's energi models will start to drop. Volt will still be the same at 98MPGe.

    Once the test extend to 40 miles, all Plugins will drop significantly in their MPGe with the Volt having the smallest drop. If the test extends to over 70 miles, then all the MPGe rating will get closer to their "extended range" MPG except for Volt (it won't happen until the 80 miles mark). Volt's MPGe will drop at "fastest" rate once the range is extended out beyond 80 miles.

    This just shows how the 11 miles EPA test cycle is outdated for plugins and how Auto Makers are "gaming" the numbers to show their advantages...

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 12/5/2012 5:23am PST

    Having read the test, it doesn't say anything about distance traveled during the EV test. They simply run the test cycle repeatedly until the vehicle switches to charge sustaining mode.

  • fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Posted: 12/5/2012 11:57am PST

    "They simply run the test cycle repeatedly until the vehicle switches to charge sustaining mode."

    That is NOT true for plugins. If you add the distance of each testing cycle, it is more than 40 miles in total distance. If they do it "sequentially", then they wouldn't be able to produce the "high MPGe" numbers as each model indicates. Each cycle is done with a "full charge" each time. The cycles are "averaged" together to get the number.

    That is the problem of the test.

    Those EPA test only reflect 1 use model for the plugins.

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 12/5/2012 3:59am PST

    John: Not sure I follow you - the only car's appearance I commented on was the Mitsubishi i - I didn't mention anything about the Prius's looks...

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 12/5/2012 5:24am PST

    Sorry, my mistake.

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 12/4/2012 5:04pm PST

    I guess the BMW i3 doesn't count as a 2013 so is it expected to be a 2014 model year when it's released in 2013?

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 12/5/2012 4:00am PST

    That's correct. Latest estimate for the i3 release is "end of 2013".

  • john_v avatar John Posted: 12/5/2012 4:16am PST

    @CDspeed: That's correct and also BMW hasn't released final specs, let alone EPA range estimates or any pricing.

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 12/5/2012 4:39am PST

    I guess you can tell which car I'm looking forward to next year, thanks for the replies Antony and John.

  • fb_100000069547338 avatar Mark Posted: 8/13/2013 10:34pm PDT

    Actually, it will only be available overseas, in it's home area in late 2013, not to be available in US until next year, shooting for deliveries to begin in Q2 2014.

  • fb_100000069547338 avatar Mark Posted: 8/13/2013 10:36pm PDT

    omg, I just saw the date on this post I replied to...huh? ...some comments from this week and some go back to last year? O_o

  • brotherkenny avatar brotherkenny Posted: 8/13/2013 9:36am PDT

    In 2008 and 2009 none of these cars were for sale. In 2010, the Volt, Leaf I-miev and Smart ED sold about 300 units, in 2011 EVs/PHEVs sold 17K units, in 2012 about 53K and thus far in 2013 about 41K (first six months). I think the recent price drops will help sales, and roll out of some of the compliance cars to the rest of the world would help too. http://energy.gov/downloads/electric-and-hybrid-electric-vehicle-sales-december-2010-june-2013

  • JPnSD avatar JPnSD Posted: 8/13/2013 11:06am PDT

    Also you'll want to check out the new PEV virtual showroom that is on GoElectricDrive.com Big improvement over previous listing and you can do side by side comparisons.

  • CarolGCar avatar CarolGCar Posted: 8/13/2013 12:08pm PDT

    Thank you for this summary! I find it a very helpful overview of the electric car market. I've been spending the past month or so trying to piece together a lot of this info--in particular, what cars are actually available in my area. And to have it all here in one place is a real bonus!

  • fb_100000458268753 avatar Neil Posted: 8/13/2013 1:39pm PDT

    I would choose the Fit EV - quick and very efficient and it is a compact hatchback.

    Or the Model S, of course.


  • fb_1341732987 avatar fb_1341732987 Posted: 8/13/2013 1:52pm PDT

    The Fit EV will only work for low mileage individuals who can lease the car. And then, only if they can find this compliance EV.

  • fb_100000069547338 avatar Mark Posted: 8/13/2013 10:57pm PDT

    While it is true it is available in limited quantities, a couple months ago they lowered the payment to $259 with no down payment, and include:

    • free home charging station
    • unlimited mileage
    • collision insurance/maintenance/roadside assistance

    Considering that most people travel less than 40 miles to/from work each day... I've been trying to keep up on EVs and, among the up to 80something mile range compliance models, the Honda Fit is one of the best options out there overall. Fastest charge time too.

    Plus, by the time your lease is up, you can turn the car in, and get something much better, as there will be better batteries and more options by then.

  • sgpigeon avatar sgpigeon Posted: 8/14/2013 5:01pm PDT

    I appreciate the work put into this. I would appreciate it if it included a section for each care such as: Availability: State X, State Y, State Z, etc.
    When I started looking into buy an electric care the past few months it was very depressing to see that nearly all of them are not available in Kentucky or Ohio. It would be nice if you could include the states, because it is not always the easiest information to find!

    Thanks for the hard work!

  • sgpigeon avatar sgpigeon Posted: 8/14/2013 5:02pm PDT

    Apparently when I type care i also mean car! UGH!

  • johnny mars avatar johnny mars Posted: 8/23/2013 1:51pm PDT

    Thanks for carring.

  • MrEnergyCzar avatar MrEnergyCzar Posted: 8/14/2013 8:56pm PDT

    The Volt and Leaf are the big national plug-ins...


  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 8/15/2013 2:23am PDT

    Thanks for the suggestion Scott - I'll try and include these details in the next update :)

  • fb_100000183976070 avatar Mark Posted: 8/15/2013 2:38pm PDT

    Antony, great summary of all the plug ins out there! It is incredible how much this field has grown since I started following the Volt back in 2007.

  • fb_1208977880 avatar Danny Posted: 8/18/2013 2:49pm PDT

    I desperately want to buy an EV. I test drove the Tesla S two weeks ago and was totally impress with the vehicle, but disappointed in the price, options, etc.

    Looked at the Leaf yesterday and the body styled turned me completely off, especially the headlights -- they looked like some abnormal skin growth.

    I am a super duper proponent of EVs, but the automakers need to start making stylish, aerodynamic EVs and not these jelly bean versions.

  • johnny mars avatar johnny mars Posted: 8/23/2013 1:53pm PDT

    Drive a Volt. $27,500 after tax credit and fees, and will save you typically $5k in gas over 5 years.

  • fb_100000995745147 avatar Gavin Posted: 8/19/2013 6:04am PDT

    Well done on an excellent article. It may look easy but I'm aware how much mind-numbing researching and double-checking goes into these articles and I appreciate it.
    Thanks for listing the power/battery sizes and prices without incentives too - handy for those of us outside the USA to use as a comparison. I'll use this article as a reference for the immediate timebeing. Nice one.

  • johnny mars avatar johnny mars Posted: 8/23/2013 1:47pm PDT

    I'm getting 44 EV miles on a charge with 70/30 why/city driving with my Volt. Current MPG: 164. 80% of driving is EV. No range anxiety!