• fb_1443176279 avatar Randall Posted: 9/20/2012 8:32pm PDT

    Everybody is way off on the point of diesel sports cars. The goal is NOT top speed. When autocrossing or non-oval track racing, you want as much low end torque as possible. No spark ignition race car can match a diesel powered race car (a la Audi R10 TDI). Those who plan on racing a Panamera will most likely autocross it. It will be a beast.

  • sustainable2020 avatar sustainable2020 Posted: 9/14/2012 1:04pm PDT

    Sounds great. Bring it over!

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 9/14/2012 12:47pm PDT

    More reasons why journalists should never do MPG testing.

    OK so this thing is rated at 37.3 mpg on the European combined cycle which is about 20% higher than the EPA numbers or perhaps 30 mpg combined if it ever shows up state-side.

    Not bad really, for a car that size. But it also points up how inefficient their hybrid is when its combined MPG number is beaten by a straight up diesel.

    But why would anyone ask if it is fast enough to be a Porsche when they should be asking if it is good looking enough to be a Porsche. Who spends that much money on an ugly car.

  • Annatar avatar Annatar Posted: 9/18/2012 7:15am PDT

    This would be such an awesome car, if it only had a manual transmission. We love the way it looks, and I would have bought one immediately if it were not an automatic.

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 9/15/2012 8:23am PDT

    Well, quite ;)

    As for the MPG, Chris has been getting between 33-37 mpg depending on the journey, so the European combined figure doesn't seem as optimistic as it usually is - quite often the case with larger vehicles not specifically designed for efficiency.

  • fb_1001015277 avatar John Posted: 9/17/2012 5:45am PDT

    Pointing out again why Journalists should not be involved in evaluating MPG numbers.

    You seem to put more faith in values reported by one person, in uncontrolled weather, in uncontrolled speed,, uncontrolled fuel temperature, than in a standardized tests executed under repeatable conditions by a competent body of professionals. By any reasonable thinking, your reasoning should be reversed. Standardized test or at least large body of consumer data are needed for clarity.

  • fb_61206378 avatar Antony Posted: 9/27/2012 6:51am PDT

    John - while standardized tests are good for comparing vehicles like-for-like, it's undoubtedly far more interesting discovering what drivers actually get in the real world - particularly when a car is still returning good figures, even with a lead-footed car journo aboard.

    Standardized testing is consistent, but it rarely represents real-world economy to any degree. That's why even the EPA allows users to submit MPG details on its site, and the resulting spread of figures is much more useful to know than official tests. It shows you the best and worst, rather than an arbitrary average from a handful of miles of driving.

  • Annatar avatar Annatar Posted: 9/18/2012 7:13am PDT

    Would you be so kind as to point us to the EPA's documentation on the agency's testing methodology?

    How is it that multiple people have consistently reported considerably higher MPG values for VW Jetta TDI, for example?

    The point here is that one should not, and you specifically should not value EPA's methodology if it is obviously flawed, and if there is no insight into the methods the agency used to arrive at the result.