• TonyWilliams avatar TonyWilliams Posted: 1/19/2013 11:28am PST

    To answer a few questions after 6000 miles on my Rav4. First, Toyota pulls some "funny business" with the application of the $7500 federal tax credit. Every other manufacturer that I know of (Nissan LEAF, GM Volt, etc) passes the $7500 through to the end lease consumer as a $7500 capitalization reduction. Toyota does not. To qualify for the credit, you need to purchase the car.

    Speaking of purchase, there currently is a $6000 rebate from Toyota until Feb 4, 2013. Add that to the $7500 federal tax credit and $2500 California state rebate, and that's $16,000 total off the $50,800 sticker price. There are a few dealers who will discount the car an additional $1000. Did I mention, 0% financing!!!

    Only about 200 total have been sold to date.

  • TonyWilliams avatar TonyWilliams Posted: 1/19/2013 11:35am PST

    The range of the car is quite good. If you disconnect the 12 volt battery, the dash range guessing instrument will default to 146 miles, which is 3.5 miles per kWh economy multiplied by 41.8kWh usable. Believe it or not, the car will ACTUALLY do that at 65 mph steady speed on a beautiful 70F/20C degree day, on flat dry roads with no elevation differential and no climate control.

    Around town, expect a much lower 2.5 - 2.9 miles per kWh. The EPA numbers are based on 2.7 miles per kWh, so 41.8 multiplied by 2.7 equals 113 miles, and a "normal" charge of about 80% of that capacity will yield 34 * 2.7 or 92 miles. The average comes out to the combined 103 EPA range.

    So, yes, you can comfortably drive 100 miles in town, and more on the highway.

  • TonyWilliams avatar TonyWilliams Posted: 1/19/2013 11:44am PST

    Lack of any quick charge support for the car really is a disappointment, particularly when dozens of CHAdeMO quick chargers are being installed throughout the state of California this year. But, it is the "poor man's" Tesla for a really good price. Toyota paid Tesla $100 million for the project, or about $38,000 per each of the 2600 they will product to meet 0.79% fleet zero emission vehicle standards in California.

    Toyota is losing a bundle on these. Make their loss your gain !!!

  • Fritzio avatar Fritzio Posted: 11/27/2012 1:34pm PST

    When, when, when will they figure out that a larger aerodynamic van is the best platform? Sure, it'll be heavier than the compact/midsize cars/crossovers they've been offering, but just think of how much additional battery space there is! What traveler, soccer mom and businessperson wouldn't want that? I just don't understand the utter lack of innovation in this industry.

  • rickreason avatar rickreason Posted: 8/29/2012 5:35am PDT

    "Give us your impressions of the 2012 Toyota RAV4 EV, and of our video,"...

    ok, since you asked...
    why would you post a video about a car and then make the audience watch you talk the whole time? Its a video about the car right? so show me the car! there is 14 seconds of the dash and thats it. Seriously, no one, with the possible exception of your mother, clicked in to see you talking. You basically just said everything I could read in the article anyway. Not to rant to much, but your videos would be more popular if you showed pictures of the car and provided a voice over - if you must. sorry for nit picking but you did ask...

  • ExtremeRC avatar ExtremeRC Posted: 8/14/2012 4:41pm PDT

    Excellent reporting as usual, John. I'm disappointed with the limited release of this vehicle, as I would really like to purchase it immediately. I live in Washington state, so it'll take extra effort to secure one. I have a local dealership working on it right now.

    I have a question about the $7500 federal tax credit available on this vehicle. My wife just purchased the 2013 Volt (she's had it for less than 2 weeks), so we'll have a $7,500 credit earned for that purchase. Assuming a large enough tax liability, is it permissible to have a second $7,500 credit in the same tax year?

  • john_v avatar John Posted: 8/14/2012 4:54pm PDT

    @Richard: Thanks for the good words. As I noted in replying to the same Q you posted on a different article, I don't know the answer to that. See your tax professional.

  • ExtremeRC avatar ExtremeRC Posted: 8/14/2012 5:09pm PDT

    @John: My apologies for missing your reply. I've been checking for it, but missed the link "addition comments" just below my post, so I didn't see your reply. Thanks for your help.

    I'll try to get an answer, and post what I find out.

  • fb_1108728511 avatar Evan Posted: 8/5/2012 11:05am PDT

    Nice review, very accurate assessment consistent with my experience. I think it's important to emphesis that the range estimates (98-103 or whatever) are VERY conservative. In 3 hours of continuous LA driving we started with a max range of 138 and still had over 40 miles of range left. In sport mode this thing is a thrill to drive. A bit disappointed in the charging options (no 240v portable charging cable--must install a permanent EVSE in your garage). And it's a shame that Toyota isn't marketing this more widely, it's a heck of a good car.

  • MrEnergyCzar avatar MrEnergyCzar Posted: 8/4/2012 7:28pm PDT

    Is it 4 wheel drive?

    MrEnergyCzar

  • john_v avatar John Posted: 8/5/2012 7:25am PDT

    No, it's front-wheel drive. Click on the link in the 5th paragraph for the full first-drive report.

  • MrEnergyCzar avatar MrEnergyCzar Posted: 8/8/2012 6:38pm PDT

    Thanks John, I've always wondered if it was going to be 4WD..

    MrEnergyCzar

  • CDspeed avatar CDspeed Posted: 8/3/2012 4:10pm PDT

    Looks like Toyota and Tesla have put together a great car.

  • fb_1470388190 avatar David Posted: 8/3/2012 9:37am PDT

    great that Toyota is putting these out and hopefully other car manufacturers who are serious about EVs will see the need for a Crossover/SUV that is 100% EV

  • fb_749714186 avatar Paul Posted: 8/3/2012 8:23am PDT

    Nice job!! It is a shame that it's only a "compliance car" for the the California market! :-( My guess is that it'll be too expensive as a production vehicle for even limited roll out. (I wonder what Tesla's charging--sorry--Toyota for the motor and related tech?)

    And while I think crossovers, SUVs and minivans would be good EV platforms, will buyers come? (Or is 100-mile ranges still a problem with buyers?)