• Mr. Nuts avatar Mr. Nuts Posted: 4/28/2012 10:01am PDT

    Two observations:

    1. 3300 pounds. Think about that. Wow.

    2. The Hyundai Elantra's design is going to age horribly. The ridiculously oversized headlights and taillights. The overly sculpted sheet metal. They tried to shrink a Sonata down -- and failed.

  • fb_30814337 avatar Brian Posted: 8/8/2012 5:55am PDT

    Ya you have no idea what youre talking about. Won international car of the year, rated number 1 in almost every magazine and website everywhere, top safety pick for three years in a row, will age just fine considering the sonata is still thought of as a stylish sedan, the coupe sets itself apart, the gt is a different animal with i30 handling, and theyve been selling great without a single rebate or 0% financing. The failed comment is your opinion but the rest of the world seems to disagree. In fact last year when i sold them people were putting deposits down on window stickers sight unseen cuz Hyundai wasnt making them fast enough...oh and they have the highest resale value, meaning they will age just fine.

  • ascpgh avatar ascpgh Posted: 4/30/2012 2:56am PDT

    The Dart's design can be editorialized, but the Chrysler studios responsible for the visual atrocities of the Sebring/200 and the Magnum/Charger platforms have been bypassed. Hopefully some of the kitchen appliance designers in the chassis dynamics department have been also, the Dart may enjoy a driving experience better than those toasters. The Fiat influence can only do Chrysler good.

  • fb_774305351 avatar fb_774305351 Posted: 9/25/2012 3:19pm PDT

    I'm disagreeing with the price. The limited edition gets sold for $26k, far too much for any car!
    Anything with a turbo is over $20k, automatic adds $2k, and an 8.4" display usually adds another $1.4k.

    I agree that the turbo adds too much power, not in a usable range on the streets, while when below the turbo's rpm's the engine is too weak to pull the car forward!

    The NA handles normal acceleration better than the turbo, the turbo's first gear is too short, and second gear too long; basically forcing it to accelerate very slow, until 20MPH, after that, in second gear, you can accelerate like crazy until 40MPH in a few seconds. Not easy to handle correctly those gears and engine power.
    An example of overengineered, but unpractical artwork

  • Philcat avatar Philcat Posted: 10/17/2012 6:49am PDT

    The milage in real time you got at 27mpg is pretty close out on the turnpike from say Denver to Kansas City cruising in general traffic at 70+.
    40? - good luck.

    As one of the drivers for the Dart Rally show last month.
    I drove it mostly in manual mode to keep the R's up vs forcing it to shift w/throttle to keep pace with others - or braking.

    All in all it's a decent car - Trunk has enough space for large travel bags.
    The in-dash large console display -Navigation by Garmin-
    never had to argue.
    Stereo - seamless pairing w/iPhone,. Satellite Radio.

    Back-Up camera is spot on to the inch.
    Guide lines and stop marks built in on the screen - Perfection.
    Backing when parking - is Full Field View.
    I'd test, get out and check - Amazing.

  • Philcat avatar Philcat Posted: 10/17/2012 7:06am PDT

    As Quoted- "one disappointment with the Dart, it's that the base 2.0-liter engine is just gutless"

    It's one of the issues I didn't cover - in all fairness - spot on.
    By Radio -Trying to get the team to get through stop lights was a pain.

    Chrysler needs to alter the computer to remove the delay of throttle.
    It just won't get out of its own way.

    Not sure - but it's almost like they did this on purpose.
    Manual shifting - at higher RPM's from dead stop - the computer tries to outsmart you by skipping second gear going to third.
    I'd have to re-select second.
    If other sheet metal is in the way - it's distracting when I meant business.
    I've stuffed 3 heavy others and cargo in this car - and I was able to get to the next ramp briskly.
    Cheers