• robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 11/23/2011 9:38am PST

    Let's see here, Fusion Hybrid starts at $28,600, Malibu Eco at $25,995. So, base price difference is $2,605. At 15k miles annually & $4.00/U.S. gallon, Fusion uses 385 gallons, costs $1,540/yr, in fuel. Malibu Eco= 500 gallons (15k/30 MPG), so $2,000. $460 in annual savings, then. Initial price gap is $2,605 so payback would be $2,605/$460, or 5.66 years.
    Actually, it states the Malibu Eco includes delivery charge but the one source I've seen quickly here shows the Fusion Hybrid MSRP as not including delivery. If so, payback would be 7.32 years. I used the same $760 for delivery charge as is shown for the Malibu as an estimate.
    Not bad, not great, but incremental progress isn't a bad thing.

  • fb_1491948054 avatar Kurt Posted: 11/23/2011 10:10am PST

    @robok2, I see this as a "hybrid with training wheels." If it gets more people to consider buying a hybrid, even a mild hybrid, I'd say that's a good thing.

  • robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 11/23/2011 2:49pm PST

    @Kurt, I agree, hence the comment about incremental progress. Compared to ten years ago this Malibu gets much better mileage, but ignorant people will still attack, see comments below for evidence.
    It's a mild hybrid that saves $2,600 over one of its full hybrid main competitors, yet still gets good mileage.
    But of course it's bad, because it's GM and GM sells Silverados. Luckily, Nissan doesn't sell a truck (Titan) that dwarfs the Silverado or F-150... The Toyota Tundra doesn't have a powertrain much larger and with worse mileage than either of the two, etc... Oh, that's right, it does.
    I'm still not a huge GM fan and have never bought/leased a D3 vehicle, but the mindless anti-GM comments from mindless people get irritating.

  • JemThomas avatar JemThomas Posted: 11/23/2011 11:41am PST

    I have looked hard at the press release for this car and you have to search for the fact that it is a mild hybrid with stop start capability.

    Why would GM obfuscate so, it points clearly to the fact that they are still paying lip service to fuel economy and would rather sell a Silverado. (more profit for less work but no future or growth)

    Lazy companies fail without fail or are nationalised (I think you get my point)

    The UK GM equivalent a Vauxhall Insignia with a 160bhp 2ltr turbo diesel will return over 45 mpg US. It has been on the market for 2 years already.

    Rather makes the Malibu ECO irrelevant.

    Think about it.

    Why not sell that instead ad be done with it.

  • robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 11/23/2011 2:42pm PST

    @Jeremy, perhaps you're unaware of this, but comparing American and European mileages/emissions isn't valid at all. The European test cycle is completely different and generally shows a 20-30% better rating simply due to the test cycle itself being unrealistic. In addition, you use imperial gallons in the U.K., right?
    Seriously, feel free to do some homework/research before spouting nonsense publicly. The Vauxhall Insignia=Open Insignia=Buick Regal, almost completely intact. It gets nowhere near 45 MPG using the AMERICAN test cycle, as is used here. Adjust for the test cycle/gallon size and your argument is ridiculous.
    The exact same Prius gets 72.4 MPG on the European cycle, but 51 in the U.S. Get the point? Compare the Focus, Corolla...

  • johnnymars avatar johnnymars Posted: 11/23/2011 7:48pm PST

    It costs too damn much, GM. It's not loaded with expensive lithium batteries, so why all the expense? I do like the new styling, but I like the LaCrosse better.

  • robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 11/25/2011 7:58pm PST

    Compared to what? $26k for a car in that segment isn't particularly expensive. Basically $2k more than non-hybrids, $2-3k less than full hybrids. So what are you comparing it to?

  • johnnymars avatar johnnymars Posted: 1/31/2012 8:32pm PST

    I'm comparing it to a 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid, which costs less and gets way better city mileage (43 vs. 26) and better highway mileage. Okay, the Camry is a more complex setup, but Toyota has it down pat. Price the Malibu at $22,500 and it'll sell well. There is stiff competition in that segment like Passat, Optima, Sonata, Accord, and Altima. People will opt for Japanese cars with better reliability if priced the same as American cars with average or below reliability.