Sam Port Posted: 4/5/2010 10:51am PDT There was enough money to help every single one of the car companies that applied. The administrators applied their interpretations of the law in order to benefit the large lobby group-related firms and avoided every one of the “politically unconnected “independent American companies. The companies staff that felt that Matt Rogers, Lachland Seward and the ATVM people lied to them include: Aptera Motors, Bannon, BioTrike, Brammo, Bright Auto, VVC, Eco Motors, Electric Motors, ElectroRides, Electrovaya, ETS, EV Innovations, Futuris, Limnia, Magna, Pheonix, Revolution, Smart Earth, Vextrix, Wrightspeed, XP, Zap and a group of others currently seeking a class action law firm. Seward decided who would get money in 2008 and led the applicants along for over a year costing them hundreds of millions in losses Richard Posted: 4/5/2010 11:43am PDT @Sam: Since you and your friends keep posting this same sort of claptrap every time I mention the DOE, I don't feel obligated to rewrite my standard response. Here it is: . As much fun as conspiracy theories are to promulgate, they usually end up making the theorist sound crazy and/or bitter. Rather than accuse you of being either, I'll just say this: I've had waaaaay too much experience dealing with grants and granting agencies on local, state, and federal levels. And as annoying and bureaucratic and Kafka-esque as they can all seem, there's one thing that most agencies do right: they award grants based on the merit of applications, not on the fact that they have a pot of money that needs to be disbursed. . V-Vehicle's case is exemplary: the DOE rejected the company's application because they said that they didn't think V-Vehicle is viable. Rather than hand over $320 million to a doomed enterprise, they've held onto it. Eventually, that money will go toward a company with a stronger application -- possibly V-Vehicle itself -- or it'll go back into a general fund. Doesn't that sound more responsible? . And you can't really argue that "independent" companies didn't get any of the DOE money. I mean, Tesla and Fisker are both start-ups, and both fit the indie bill.