• Ed Posted: 6/4/2008 4:07pm PDT

    The industry may be obsessed with these stupid, meaningless "INITIAL" Quality numbers, but the CONSUMER has little use for them. Who cares what the initial quality is? After all, all cars are under warranty and even th 4elemons are fixed fro free in their first 3 or 5 or 7 years (some have 10 year warranties!)
    What matters to the consumer is how will the car hold up after 10 and 15 and 20 years and after 150,000 and 250,000 miles? THAT is what separates the proverbial "MEN" from the "BOYS".
    Cars last longer, and people cannot afford to trade them in every year or even every three years any more. Many consumers want to find a reliable, fuel efficient car and KEEP IT FOREVER, or for at least a decade.

  • Gene B Posted: 6/4/2008 4:31pm PDT

    Ed,
    95% of people get rid of their card before 90k miles. The longevity benefits second and third owners. Car manufacturers are selling to first owners.

  • Ed Posted: 6/4/2008 5:40pm PDT

    "Gene B
    June 4th, 2008 - 3:31 pm
    Ed,
    95% of people get rid of their card before 90k miles. "
    I challenge that statistic. Do you have a link for it? Then I can check if it is correct.
    Even if it is correct, power's "INITIAL" quality can satisfy only the most short-sighted, thoughtless owners, that cannot look down the road and the alleged 90k miles (in how many years? I once put only 65k miles in 11 years, and then the stupid Pontiac dropped dead). 90k is far from "Initial".
    And in addition, people do not JUNK their cars after 90k miles or x years, they sell them to other people.
    And cars today last far longer than they used to.

  • J-F Houle Posted: 6/4/2008 9:14pm PDT

    Does some has stats for quality after 4 or 5 years ? I think i think it's useful cause we keep our car about 8 years. My saturn sl 2002 has no major trouble. But i d'ont drive everyday and the brakes are rusting and the direction offer resistance.

  • Tom L Posted: 6/8/2008 12:39pm PDT

    The IQS studies will become meaningful again when new manufactures from China and India enter the market. They have tons of catching up to do to deliver the quality levels American consumers expect.
    The real untold story here is how much work the Engineers at the American OEMs put in over the last 2 decades to close the gap. They had to focus on quality while management demanded they drive cost out at every turn. I also worked with Honda and was much much more impressed with their management's "if we focus on building a quality car it will pay for itself in sales" attitude.