• JEM Posted: 4/9/2008 6:34pm PDT

    Oops, sorry meant Enclave, not Lucerne in the third paragraph above.

  • JEM Posted: 4/9/2008 6:33pm PDT

    Another front-drive V8? Oh my, someone at GM didn't get the memo about V8 front-drivers being about as useful as track shoes for tuna. Or perhaps GM, having spent most of the '80s trying to convince the Depends market that they really ought to buy front-drive Buicks (never mind the floppy chassis and torque steer and the one-wheel peel) now thinks it'd be too much stress on the poor dears now to try to tell them that FWD ain't all that after all.

    Ed needs to figure out that how you say something is often more important than what you say. He's right, though, that Lexus has largely eaten what used to be the Buick market. It's the conservative upper-middle-class product, the "doctor's car".

    On the other hand, he's a mile off the mark on the Lucerne, it's a thing of beauty and a grade of interior (in particular) that five years ago GM simply didn't know how to do, and certainly no more bloated than, say, the Acura MDX. I can't imagine anyone buying something like that in front-drive form, but it is gorgeous regardless.

  • xjug1987 Posted: 4/9/2008 6:21pm PDT

    I drove a Lucerne but bought a Mercedes E500. I thought the Buick was a terrific car, just not right for me. It is certainly as good or better, and certainly bigger that the ugly Lexus ES350 (Camry). I think Buick is doing the right thing. The next generation cars they get will certainly be better and class leading. Bob Lutz is leaving quite a mark. Go Bob!

  • jc Posted: 4/9/2008 10:36am PDT

    Hey Ed....
    How much does your "magnificent 7" weigh, and how much horsepower does it have? Does it have cyl deactivation? Why should Buick build cars to your specs when BMW can make big, heavy, V8 cars with no criticism?
    If I recall correctly, BMW is a company that pays some heavy penalties because it doesn't care to meet CAFE standards.

    You base your 'expert' knowledge on someone else's 4 year old car. Why don't you test drive the Super before you spew your comments. The Lucerne would probably ride, handle & accelerate better than your 'Magnificent 7'.

  • Ed Posted: 4/9/2008 10:14am PDT

    GM has PONTIAC (and even CHEVY) to use to offer sporty cars. Buicks DO handle like boats, they have the soft suspensions that senior citizens like AND NEED. LEXUS is awfully close to Buick's handling, BTW, but far superior in Reliability and Quality.

    Still, some derisively call the Lexus LS 400 (now 460) the "Buick LS400".

    I am quite familiar with Buicks, an assosiate of mine boiught a Park Avenue 4 years ago, and the POS not only handles terribly, it is NOT as reliable as Buicks are supposed to be.

    ANd then you talk abouht the ENclave? The 5,000 fatass rhinoceros crossover? That it sells a lot? Do you know why? 1. Because they PURPOSELY keep production LOW, and 2. Because it is a NEW vehicle. OVERALL, Buick sales have gone to hell in a handbasket recently, DESPITE the unnecessarily Obese Enclave.

  • Sal Posted: 4/9/2008 9:48am PDT

    "wobblly" Buick - drive one, then talk! I bet he has never driven a car with magnetic ride control. Priced like an E-class Mercedez - go price one equiped like the Buick! Then talk to an owner of an auto repair shop and see which car is more dependable and how much the maintenance costs. I'm sick of listening to people who know nothing about cars and the market. As for selling to "little old ladies" the industry realises that they need to change the demographics of the people they sell to, case in point the Caddillac CTS. The one thing I agree to is that a $45,000 Buick might be a tough sell.

  • Wayne K Posted: 4/8/2008 9:46pm PDT

    Ok, I can kind of agree that the price is a tad high on both cars, but seriously Ed, have you driven a Lucerne? They don't really WOBBLE as you say. They have a nice ride, and are very stable. They don't carve the corners or anything, but they are a nice ride.

    The biggest problem with what Ed has to say is that he obviously doesn't understand that Buick is selling every single Enclave crossover that they can make at more than $37k......those lil old ladies on the fixed incomes sure do have a HUGE fixed income huh???

  • Ed Posted: 4/8/2008 4:52pm PDT

    "...as is a pricetag of $39,395 including destination. The second new version is a Lucerne CXL Special Edition. It’s offered with either the V-8, downrated to 275 horsepower, or the standard 3.8-liter V-6 with 197 hp. Making it a special edition are new 17-inch wheels, a new rear fascia, perforated leather seats, and a pricetag of $32,150. "

    These prices do not include taxes and options, that will easily bring the total to a ludicrous (rhymes with Lucerne) $45,000. You realize I can even buy a used ASTON MARTIN for that dough?

    Seriously, Buick had to downscale production of the Lucerne because its intended buyers, largely lil' old ladies living on FIXED INCOME just could not afford the wobbly handling boats any more! The above makes it even LESS affordable.

    Who is Buick trying to attract? DO they think that the lil' old ladies want V8s with 300 HP? That's ludicrous once more. DO they think they will attract car enthusiasts that would otherwise buy a BMW 5 or even 7, or a merc E class?

    The car needs HALF the HP, 150 is PLENTY, and a 4 or 6 with cylinder deactivation should provide good MPG, the weight having gone down by about 500 LB as well..But tell that to Bob Lutz..LOL

    Buick has no clue and no aim. Pity.