• Tote Posted: 3/4/2008 1:21pm PST

    Is it boy racer? You bet!
    Is it handsome? Well, maybe after 8-10 beers.
    Is it the styling that should have been on the GTO? Yesssssssssssssssir!

  • DanDetroit Posted: 3/4/2008 9:30am PST

    The G8 is an outstanding car! It competes in capability with much more expensive imported brands while costing tens of thousands less. That would be the definition of best car for the money! Not putting words in Charlie's mouth, but I think he is addressing the knee jerk bias in some quarters to write off American products without fairly evaluating their merits. I'll bet the same voices that knock the Pontiac face think the very similar BMW look to be just wonderful.

  • Maury Posted: 3/3/2008 7:22pm PST

    Charlie: Sorry---mediocre is mediocre, regardless of nationality. When you say "support our industries," are you saying we should spend thousands of dollars on principle, instead of looking for the best car for the money? When Pontiac (among others) makes a truly competitive car, I will consider it. Meanwhiel, I don't need to ship my money off to GM, when it consistently shows it does not really care about building truly oustandting cars.


  • RobAFromNC Posted: 3/3/2008 6:12pm PST

    I think the G8 is the best thing Pontiac has done in a long while. It looks like a great deal for 30k and will create a lot of excitement for Pontiac dealers. I'm not crazy about the scoops, but overall I think it looks good. I definitely prefer it to the Charger's styling. I'm hoping the reliability will be good too.

  • Philipp Posted: 3/3/2008 4:10pm PST

    Seems like a dark color would make it look nicer since it hides the tacky hood scoops and makes it look more solid and sleeker.

  • Dave Posted: 3/3/2008 1:31pm PST

    I agree with Wayne K 100%. When I first seen it, I loved it, but wondered if they'd be a smooth aftermarket hood to put on, or a body shop to eliminate the hood scoops. Pontiac finally got rid of the side ribs for good. They are almost there... good enough for me anyway though.

  • Mark K Posted: 3/3/2008 10:53am PST

    Looks like they took a Grand Am from the late 90's and tried to BMW-tize it. Not very original at all.

    They better get the Camaro right!

  • Wayne K Posted: 3/3/2008 8:35am PST

    I think it's a good looking car. I like the stance, I like the look. The only issue I have with the car, they could have left the "hood scoops" off....I mean they're not even functional. Just like Ford with the Mustang GT with the GT apperance package. COME ON PEOPLE, THE HOOD SCOOP ISN'T REAL, IT'S USELESS!!!!!

  • Seano Posted: 3/2/2008 9:32pm PST

    Honestly, the Pontiac nose used to make a Commodore into a G8 dates the car by twenty years. It's just wrong.

    In its Holden form this is quite a sweet looking vehicle especially in SS guise.....but in it's G8 form it's.......fugly.

    And these constant referrals to it being some sort of muscle car......pull the other one! This is a standard Australian family sedan with some go fast plastic and lowered suspension.....no muscle car.

    If it must be classified then in the form you see it I'd be calling it a 'sport sedan' like the 5 series or 7 series BMW....

  • Mark A. Posted: 3/2/2008 8:05pm PST

    Looks like every Pontiac made for the past 15 years. When is this look going to get old for GM designers??????

  • Everett Rupert Posted: 3/2/2008 7:01pm PST

    The G8 has a look that could be comfortable in several settings; it is muscular enough to hang out with muscle cars and refined enough to tap bumpers with BMWs.

  • Jim Posted: 3/2/2008 3:53pm PST

    It's sad alright. The Us manufacturers just can't seem to avoid derivative designs... except for Cadillac. The new CTS which I've seen on the road, is striking and refreshingly new. I currently have a CLS and a Cayman S, and the CTS is the first American car that has tugged at my car nut heart!

  • Dale Posted: 3/2/2008 3:14pm PST

    Maybe we are just too influenced by nostalgia - most of the old muscle cars didn't have knockout styling - just big engines and noisier exhaust systems.
    The G8 looks like a solid road car - looks pretty good from the front and inside, although pretty boring from the back. It is a lot better looking than the recent Grand Prix and Bonneville sedans - so I see it as an improvement for the Pontiac dealers. Compared to many other "sports sedan" performance cars of the world, it is quite a bargain at arounf 30 grand.
    I think it will do moderately well, and will generate some additional excitement if the bring in the station wagon and sedan pickup versions - finally something for El Camino owners to move up to.

  • Nick Posted: 3/2/2008 3:01pm PST

    It's STILL a pontiac! It's got that ugly pontiac snout stuck to the front of another "cookie cutter" design. The days of pontiac excitement are OVER. I think pontiac will be the next to bite the dust at GM. Nobody wants pontiacs. Nobody is buying them. Their sales continue to founder. Nobody wants that ugly pontiac snout anymore and their "revolutionary" rear wheel drives will make achieving CAFE standards more difficult for GM - and GM can't handle any more difficulties at this time.

  • Charlie Posted: 3/1/2008 3:01pm PST

    SAD, SAD, AND SAD!!!! Can't we give the domestics a chance? We keep this up and before you know it we will be saluting to a Japanese flag! I feel that U.S. carmakers are trying and can produce good vehicles but we need to support our industries. Be proud of being American.

  • Sorbs Posted: 3/1/2008 11:26am PST

    Looks like another Pontiac headed for the rental car bin. Seriously, when is that one designer at Pontiac going to retire?

  • Dave Parent Posted: 2/29/2008 8:53pm PST

    Let's get real. Musclecar is as musclecar does. A real musclecar accelerates with the subtlety of a sledgehammer,and the build quality of a Wal Mart knock-off. A real musclecar sees every straight road as a dragstrip, and every corner as an inconvenient way of connecting straight roads. Real musclecars remind 60 year olds of how they felt at sixteen. And like dinosaurs, real musclecars flourished when there was an ecological niche for them.
    I love musclecars, but modern automobiles are orders-of-magnitude better, functionally, and socially. God bless the people who keep the real musclecars going, but the term "modern musclecar" should make your spell checker explode.
    And real musclecars never have four doors.

  • Peter Posted: 2/29/2008 8:23pm PST

    I haven't seen the real car, just the photo above, but in the photo, it just looks like another mid-size Pontiac ready to fall apart about when the 3 year loan is paid off. Who really wants hood scoops, gills, and lots of plastic under the bumper which is going to break as soon as you hit a racoon or pull into a parking place and touch a curb. How about clean styling - not focus-group gimmicks? Oh, and maybe a Knudson nose.

  • Forest Posted: 2/29/2008 7:40pm PST

    Todays "muscle" style was first (in my mind) coined with the 92 325i (and to a lesser degree the 89 5-series). This Pontiac, the new CTS, the IS250/350, even the new Audi (is it the latest A4?) have the same raked look. Sure the Dodge looks good - even muscle bound - but the G8 and the others I mentioned look fast, capable, classy, yet have a air of subtleness - and that look is what I love about the 67 Mustang Fastback, 69 GTX and Roadrunner, 67 Chevelle SS 396 and many others that defined "muscle car" for me.

  • Marty Padgett Posted: 2/29/2008 7:37pm PST

    Righto on the typo - my mind must be wandering, even with a quad-shot Starbucks.

    Junky? There's really nothing junky about this car, unless you really hate Blaupunkt audio systems and really want an in-dash nav system.

  • JEM Posted: 2/29/2008 7:34pm PST


    Wait, weren't musclecars cheap junky nose-heavy two-door versions of cheap junky sedans?

    And didn't GM, and Pontiac, just about destroy the breed with the Trans Am and all the plastic junk they stuck on them, right down to the goiters that passed for hood scoops on the last WS6?

    How 'bout something a little more tasteful. Like a Holden Commodore sedan. Or is that too much to expect from GM's designated Tacky Division?

    Wait, you mean the G8 *is* a Holden Commodore sedan? Oh...

  • Michael Karesh Posted: 2/29/2008 7:16pm PST

    I'm personally having trouble seeing the G8 as a muscle car. In the end, I think the styling will prove too derivative of the E46 M3, too international, and too bland.

    I think you've got an error (and a typo) in the entry: GM designeR Brian Smith likely specified a long hood with a short deck, not the other way around as you have it.

  • Mark Posted: 2/29/2008 7:15pm PST

    "Does it connect the dots of a musclecar outline, or is it just a great-looking sedan?"

    Both. This is a great looking car.

  • brian Posted: 2/29/2008 7:14pm PST

    "GM designed Brian Smith told us it’s in the short-hood, long-deck stance..."

    Um, you meant to type "long-hood/short-deck" - Didntya?

    Short-hood/Long-deck = Chrysler "Cab Forward" LH Sedan