• Sebastian Posted: 12/30/2010 7:45am PST

    I think it's really important to get into developing and applying new and alternative ways of energy production. It is very important to discover and also research those new ways we find, to make good use of them as fast as possible.
    Every day that we wait, we risk to push the boundaries that little step to far, that will do unrewindable damage to our earth, nature and ourselves.

  • Tom Posted: 12/4/2010 9:17pm PST

    Where are the sources for this article? I've been doing a decent amount of research and have yet to find any articles with adequate sources to back up their claims. You cannot just state "Toyota has said..." without any links or citations to bake up such statements.

  • rwp3pe Posted: 9/10/2010 7:54am PDT

    The first appearance of this myth I noticed was an editorial by a Connecticut college student. It accused the Sudbury plant of destroying its surroundings in the process of making Prius batteries, to the point where NASA used the area for training astronauts for moon exploration. Turns out that's all BS. The reason the area surrounding the plant is desolate is the same reason there's nickel there: a meteor landed in the area eons ago. You can keep your head in the sand or check out the well-documented facts at http://russelldad.blogspot.com/2007/06/fact-checking-on-hummer-vs-prius.html

  • stanczyk Posted: 7/27/2010 5:26am PDT

    Prius is hidiousss!....small EV cars makes sense, not the big sedano-estates (or whatever Prius is ?!?..
    There's market for small econooboxes and for Muslce car(they are low volume, arn't they?)
    LONG LIVE MUSCLE
    ernwopr@wp.pl

  • Bruce Posted: 7/22/2010 9:17pm PDT

    I had a 1968 ford f150 2wd 4 speed standard gave me 28 mpg on the hwy. I'm sorry I sold the old girl. Nothing like "pollution control" systems to suck the fuel economy and and power out of a machine. Now we get 30% less emissions but burn almost double the fuel meaning that with pollution we basically break even. I'd trade back for the current Ford truck I have now with the 351. Gets 16 mpg regardless of whether loaded or empty. I'd never even dream of taking it over 60 mph. It would be cheaper to drive a motor home.

  • Ross in Bozeman Posted: 2/12/2010 9:34am PST

    @Darren, Odd I live in Bozeman MT, and there is a FREE Streamline bus service that covers the entire city. You have some valid points, but no need to lie to make them.

  • duh Posted: 2/11/2010 2:11pm PST

    riding a bike actually costs more energy than a vehicle since u must replenish the energy u used by eating, which also uses fossil fuels to plant, harvest, and tranport (most likely). The hybrid vs nonhybrid decision is simple, does the money saved on fuel economy equal the extra cost of the hybrid powertrain over the time you will own the vehicle, most likely not. Hybrids are also more sluggish than their non-hybrid counterparts due to added weight and most likely reduced power. Hybrids are also not fun to drive since when driven with any aggression the gasoline/ diesel engine kicks in thus negating the fuel mileage saved (actually gets worse in that case bc of the added weight). Diesel engines are the most efficient, nearly twice as comparatively efficient if u take into account hp and torque vs gas mileage. In that case even a HUMMER H1 alpha that gets 8mpg highway is more efficient than a prius bc more hp and torque is generated per unit of fuel. Plus hummers are infinitely cooler than priuses or can atleast crush one and assist you in any off-road or towing needs, as well as letting you survive a collision with greater success

  • MJ Posted: 2/11/2010 1:53pm PST

    Clean diesels are better than the prius anyway. They get over 50 mpg and can run biofuels like WVO that dont have the environmental issues of biodiesel or ethanol.

  • ellenbetty Posted: 7/12/2009 7:03pm PDT

    When I look at such questions I try to use common sense. The greater the weight the greater the amount of energy used in producing, shipping, and recycling a vehicle. The greater distance the factory is from the owner of the vehicle the more energy consumed delivering and recycling the vehicle. The problem with Prius is that Toyota is selling the hybrid at a loss. So true market share is distorted. Will Toyota ever be able to sell the Prius at greater than production cost? Will Toyota ever make a profit on the Prius? Or will the Prius be like the super sonic Concord? A vehicle that never made a profit over it's lifetime and production was stopped. Over the long run, the Prius is competing with fuel economy vehicles like the Yaris. The Prius production cost is believed to be about $35,000 a unit. Toyota stated that moving the speedometer to the center of the dash was done to sell the Yaris at a profit. A fully loaded Yaris sticker price is less than $19,000. The cost difference between fully loaded Yaris and the Prius is about $17,000. I can buy a lot of gasoline for $17,000. 6800 gallons at $2.50 a gallon. 6800 gallons times 32 mpg combined fuel economy for the Yaris = 217,600 miles driven. Gasoline prices will have to be a lot higher before the Toyota can sell the Prius at a profit against fuel economy vehicles like the Yaris.

  • Mindless Posted: 6/2/2009 10:58am PDT

    Although there is lack of independent studies for Life time costs that could contradict CNW's report, it is mindless to think Hummer or any other larger would use less energy in a lifetime than a Prius. Plus, personally, I would buy a prius. 50+ mpg vs. 11 to 15 mpl? mindless

  • joe Posted: 5/27/2009 6:05pm PDT

    "Maybe we need eyes to see."

    The Toyota manufacturer offered no facts about life time energy cost. only generalized statements.

  • Darren Posted: 2/26/2009 12:54pm PST

    "The End of the Road"

    Andy, are you saying that you want to ride a bike to work in Mineapolis in January through 2 feet of snow? How about in Bozeman, MT where there is no public transportation. What a simple-minded, thoughtless solution.
    And what about those who need to carry more than four people or need to haul materials or equipment? We have a pop-up tent trailer? Do you think a Prius will tow that to the mountains? How about my bicycle? Can that tow a 1200 pound trailer?
    The Hybrid is - at best - a stop-gap measure designed to eat up trillions of development and consumer dollars that could be far more effective at developing what really should be next. Do I know what that is? Hydrogen? Fuel-cell? Who knows. But we just plopped a trillion bucks down on golf carts. Good investment, world.
    And someone explain to me why my 1983 Honda Civic got 40 to 45 on the highway in Wyoming (at altitude) going 80 mph (depending on the wind direction) while the new Civic is hallowed when it gets 35 Hwy? I guess the real solution is that we all go back to driving 1983 Honda Civic hatchbacks. There, I can be as simple-minded and thoughtless as Andy.

  • Darren Posted: 2/26/2009 12:53pm PST

    "The End of the Road"

    Andy, are you saying that you want to ride a bike to work in Mineapolis in January through 2 feet of snow? How about in Bozeman, MT where there is no public transportation. What a simple-minded, thoughtless solution.
    And what about those who need to carry more than four people or need to haul materials or equipment? We have a pop-up tent trailer? Do you think a Prius will tow that to the mountains? How about my bicycle? Can that tow a 1200 pound trailer?
    The Hybrid is - at best - a stop-gap measure designed to eat up trillions of development and consumer dollars that could be far more effective at developing what really should be next. Do I know what that is? Hydrogen? Fuel-cell? Who knows. But we just plopped a trillion bucks down on golf carts. Good investment, world.
    And someone explain to me why my 1983 Honda Civic got 40 to 45 on the highway in Wyoming (at altitude) going 80 mph (depending on the wind direction) while the new Civic is hallowed when it gets 35 Hwy? I guess the real solution is that we all go back to driving 1983 Honda Civic hatchbacks. There, I can be as simple-minded and thoughtless as Andy.

  • mdclxvis Posted: 2/4/2009 5:31pm PST

    "glow in the dark?"

    wtf "one more thing to concider(sic)" why on earth would a child glow in the dark if sat in the back seat of a prius? If this was the case... why has no one else ever heard of this? It sounds completely ridiculous to me

  • Ray Fontanes Posted: 1/14/2009 3:01pm PST

    "One more thing to concider"

    If you put a car seat in the center of the back seat you child might glow in the dark after a long drive. Do elctro magnetic frequencies effect the driver? Can you listen to AM in a hybrid? Nice post Big Picture and the solution. A ship in its harbor is safe but that is not what ships are for.

  • Ray Fontanes Posted: 1/14/2009 2:52pm PST

    "One more thing to concider"

    If you put a car seat in the center of the back seat you child might glow in the dark after a long drive. Do elctro magnetic frequencies effect the driver? Can you listen to AM in a hybrid?

  • David Posted: 12/7/2008 8:51pm PST

    "Big Picture"

    The fact that we can even have an argument about whether the Prius or the Hummer is greener indicates that the Prius is at best marginally greener than other vehicles. The truth of the matter is that if you want a green vehicle, you need to use your legs or a bike...but even those cause environmental problems. Unless you eat local organic food, your legs are burning calories that are deeply imbued with burnt oil. And the bike probably was built at a Chinese factory powered by electricity from a coal-powered power plant spewing all sorts of poisons into the air. Everybody needs to take deep breath, relax, and take steps to accomplish their goals.

  • timothy Sommer Posted: 12/7/2008 9:48am PST

    "tim"

    One other area of the study that some critics have found to be misleading is that CNW only included the so-called design and development cost of models sold so far, not on the potential volume of that technology in the long run. This statement clearly shows hoe dishonest these critics of the study are. You can only study the past and any claims the future can be studied are incredibly stupid or dishonest for the purpose of misleading.

  • Andy Posted: 10/20/2008 6:46am PDT

    "Misguided"

    "a firm with a well-established reputation for industry forecasting"..puts together a "dust to Dust" report that states that hybrids are not the green energy saving machines they are made out to be...and the statements it makes need bebunking?
    The lifetime energy cycle of a car must be known by the companies prior to production and they still use the "green" eco tint to sell them. Now where have i heard that before? Anyone for a wind farm in theyre garden?

  • Scott Posted: 10/6/2008 4:46pm PDT

    "Yes I misspelled some things..."

    I was frustrated at the blind hypocrasy...that is all.

  • Scott Posted: 10/6/2008 4:44pm PDT

    "Where is the other sides evodence?"

    What I find interesting is that everyone automatically debunks these claims based on lack of cited evidence, when neither Toyota nor others that wich to debunk the claim use and cited evidence of their own, only small snippets of information of the very misleading, statement A credible source says they're wrong. Where is the proper point counter point? All I ever see is "it's not true because I don't believe it!" if that train of thought was true then the world would still be thought of as round and the earth would still be believed to be the center of the universe. I like the arguments as a whole I just wich people would stop being hypocritical about one side needing sources and the other being able to say whatever it wants withought sources. Myabe the prius is more damaging maybe it isn't, but the standards should be the same, I want to hear and unbiased report from both sides, so hybrid drivers where are your cites? Stop saying the 'evil' conventional car supporters need sources of information and focus your attention on coming up with sources of your own.

  • Tim Posted: 8/12/2008 9:13am PDT

    "Why not just call it a lie?"

    While this article does a fairly good job of debunking the CNW "report", I have to wonder why, considering the immense hype this "report" has generated, the general, "mainstream" media has not done any investigative reporting on how this obviously bogus report got made and put out in the media. "CNW Marketing" is obviously a front set up to allow the Big 3 Detroit automakers to trash the Japanese hybrids while they frantically get their own sorry engineering divisions in gear to build decent cars (anyone ever been to or heard of "Bandon, Oregon?!?!). I predict that after the Big 3 start making their own hybrid cars that CNW (or a similar front) will come out with a "report" that says that detroit-made hybrids are the Greenest Cars on God's Earth and the "dust to dust" report will quietly disappear altogether. Just business, guys, no hard feelings!

  • Bob Wilson Posted: 7/27/2008 4:49am PDT

    "Owner 625k Inc."

    I enjoyed this summary of what many hybrid car advocates have been saying for years. You have covered all of the bases. Now with $4+ gas, the best thing CNW Marketing can do is a "mea culpa" and put the final nail in the "Dust-to-Dust" coffin. Otherwise, it remains an Albatross bringing doubts about any other publications they may make.
    Many hybrid advocates have been making similar criticisms of CNW Marketing for years. I for one am glad to see others pick up the mantel even if not terribly timely. My way of saying, "Where were you guys?"
    Bob Wilson

  • Andy Posted: 6/14/2008 10:06am PDT

    "The solution?"

    Live locally and ride a bike or take mass transit.